In a shocking move, Arm cancels Qualcomm's license to manufacture Snapdragon chips
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hahahanoobs
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His comment went way over your head.
jpvalverde85
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So Oryon-V is 99,9% fact. Nuvia work is great, I just hope Qualcomm puts money on the graphics too, even Intel got it better. ARM hardly can win, and they are putting themselves on a path to their own doom.
ARMs is not determining if one company can aquire another. They are not trying to block the aquisition.
In ARMs lawsuit, they claim that their licenses have a clause in them that requires ARMs permission to transfer licenses on aquisition of the company that has said licenses to the aquiring company, and that Nuvia and Qualcomm failed to gain this permission on the aquisition of the former by the latter, therefore the license did not transfer with the aquisition. These are often referred to as 'poison pill' clauses. They are not particularly unusual, although they tend to apply to employment contracts "if this comany gets taken over, I as the outgoing CEO get a stupidly massive payout, much more than if I was just fired or resigned in the normal course of events" for example.
Until and unless the entire license terms become public knowledge, and we can read them for ourselves, no-one outside ARM and/or the courts if they rule on it can confidently assert anything different.
This smells like a cash-grab by ARM. Snapdragon chips are some of the most desirable, powerful AND pricey ARM-based chips on the market so certainly ARM would enjoy higher licensing fees now that Qualcomm has announced the even more powerful Elite series of chips.
And that's the only area where ARM shines, at the lowest level of power consumptions.
In all other area with real workloads, ARM is dead last with similar power consumption.
TSMC is just a manufacturer, it was outsourced from the US to Taiwan decades ago because it was considered labor in the tech world. They don't "rely" on them, they are many other fabs in the world outside of Taiwan (S. Korea, Japan, Europe, and now back to USA)
ZedRM
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No, they're failing at context, just like some of the comments above. Qualcomm has done nothing wrong. ARM is just being greedy asking for a new contract(and thus new fees) for the merged company instead of recognizing that the existing contract is still valid until it expires under it's original terms. This is not rocket science, it's basic contract law.
Axeia
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Ah, ARM. One of few companies that seems as uhmm 'brazen' as NVIDIA.
I'd say it's a good step towards a RISC-V future. ARM keeps making odd steps making them look greedy and a bad company to partner with it and imo overestimating their worth. Qualcomm has enough sway to buy more time by dragging it out in court whilst porting things over to RISC-V. There's no way they didn't have a RISC-V plan sitting on a low burner somewhere.
Qualcomm also has enough resources and expertise to switch away from ARM if they really need to.
It could end in a sizzle with them coming to an agreement but I hope it ends with a bang and we see the first big company betting big on RISC-V.
From a year back:
I'd say it's a good step towards a RISC-V future. ARM keeps making odd steps making them look greedy and a bad company to partner with it and imo overestimating their worth. Qualcomm has enough sway to buy more time by dragging it out in court whilst porting things over to RISC-V. There's no way they didn't have a RISC-V plan sitting on a low burner somewhere.
Qualcomm also has enough resources and expertise to switch away from ARM if they really need to.
It could end in a sizzle with them coming to an agreement but I hope it ends with a bang and we see the first big company betting big on RISC-V.
From a year back:
maxxcool7421
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VectorVortec
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quadibloc
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ARM, of course, is a British company. So even though it does business in the United States, there isn't really much chance the U.S. government could decide that ARM's behavior is anticompetitive and basically shut them down. Of course, Google (or rather Alphabet, I suppose) could use this as a reason to make the next generation of Android a RISC-V operating system.
BadThad
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Would never happen in the US. ARM is too integrated into American life and, like big banks, - "too big to fail".
Arm makes the designs for modern processors. it's makes it's money through selling licences to companies that use those designs. Those licence's are expensive for a big company like Qualcomm and relatively cheap for a start up like Nuvia. Qualcomm can't just buy Nuvia and to avoid paying for licence fees for their $39bn company.
havok585
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you cant compare the two, because AMD actually designs their chips, unlike qualcomm.
hahahanoobs
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Design is useless without manufacturing.
ZedRM
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You're kidding?
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