In a shocking move, Arm cancels Qualcomm's license to manufacture Snapdragon chips

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What just happened? The long-simmering battle between British chip designer Arm and American semiconductor superstar Qualcomm has just reached a boiling point. Arm has now given Qualcomm notice that it is terminating the license allowing Qualcomm to create its own chips based on Arm's intellectual property.

This "architectural license" agreement has been the cornerstone of the partnership that has kept Android smartphones humming with Qualcomm's cutting-edge processors for years. Now, according to documents viewed by Bloomberg, Arm has fired off a 60-day cancellation notice that could bring this long-standing deal crumbling down.

For the uninitiated, the hostility between these two tech titans that were once close partners stems from Qualcomm's $1.4 billion acquisition of chip design startup Nuvia in 2021.

Arm alleges that when Qualcomm acquired Nuvia, it violated the licensing terms since Nuvia already had a separate agreement with Arm. The company's stance is that Qualcomm should have renegotiated those terms instead of simply absorbing Nuvia's existing Arm licenses. This led Arm to sue Qualcomm in 2022 for breach of contract and trademark infringement.

Qualcomm, however, argues the existing agreement covered everything with the Nuvia takeover. Using this as grounds, the company countersued, setting up an explosive courtroom battle that still looms. Both sides have also been quietly negotiating a potential settlement, but Arm's scorched-earth license termination could indicate those talks have broken down – or that it simply decided to go with the nuclear option.

Now, in light of the notice, Qualcomm fired back that Arm is just trying to "strong-arm a longtime partner" and disrupt the legal process with this termination threat, calling it "completely baseless."

Following the acquisition, Nuvia's tech lived on as the Oryon custom CPU cores now powering Qualcomm's latest Snapdragon X Elite processors for Windows on Arm laptops and Copilot+ PCs. Qualcomm just announced new Oryon-based mobile and automotive chips this week.

If Arm does follow through on killing Qualcomm's license after the 60-day notice period, it could derail Qualcomm's multi-billion dollar mobile and PC chip business. The company might be forced to halt the sale of certain products, which generate nearly the entirety of its $39 billion in annual revenue.

Qualcomm has a 60-day window to get its act together, which does seem like Arm's way of trying to "strong-arm" the company into settling this beef through negotiations rather than the courts.

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Hopefully Qualcomm realise that Arm have beyond Strong-Armed (side note, 10 points for the pun there from Qualcomm) them, and have basically stood them up at the cliff edge, ARM absolutely survives losing qualcomm, a bitbof a sting and probably huntingnfor other mobile partners to keep the big royalties rolling in, but ARM has tons cooking with other companies for servers, mobile, embedded, desktop, so this is only one part, whereas Qualcomm would be in big trouble as basically all their key chip designs would not be saleable
 
Hold up?

qualcomm entirely relies on another company to survive?

wow thats dumb, not surprising though, every year I find out some uber important item that props up humanity is made by only one place or is located in a volcano or some other dumb as hell location.
 
Small embedded units then fine, but Lappies, desktops, pads, NO NO NO., I don't have a Mobile phone , the wife has her 3310 [Motorola chipset] and we have one not very smart TV [keeps dropping both channels and wi-fi] which has a Rockwell chipset
Nokia 3310 uses a Texas Instruments MAD2WD1, which is based on ARM7TDMI (ARM)...
Rockwell Chipsets are ARM based and have been since 1997...

So you consider ARM to be more evil than Intel & AMD? Who only licenses X86 to each other?

So what do you use for your Desktops and Laptops? RISC-V I presume?
 
Hopefully Qualcomm realise that Arm have beyond Strong-Armed (side note, 10 points for the pun there from Qualcomm) them, and have basically stood them up at the cliff edge, ARM absolutely survives losing qualcomm, a bitbof a sting and probably huntingnfor other mobile partners to keep the big royalties rolling in, but ARM has tons cooking with other companies for servers, mobile, embedded, desktop, so this is only one part, whereas Qualcomm would be in big trouble as basically all their key chip designs would not be saleable
If we're taking about mobile devices, I only know of Apple, MediaTek and Qualcomm and MTK is mostly in low to mid-range devices and bulk of sales being overseas.
 
Given that ARM apparently is broke and needs more cash, pissing off their biggest consumer is not the brightest idea. Remember: ARM previously tried to force partners into paying MORE for chips depending on the sale price of the device. Absolutely bonkers.

Even if a settlement is reached, I foresee Qualcomm pushing hard into risc v. Who is going to trust ARM after this?
 
I'm going make a bold statement and say that ARM legally can't do this, especially while ongoing litigation is a factor. This is a gamble that will not work in their favor.
 
Hold up?

qualcomm entirely relies on another company to survive?

wow thats dumb, not surprising though, every year I find out some uber important item that props up humanity is made by only one place or is located in a volcano or some other dumb as hell location.
No, they rely on tech that Arm has patented. Qualcomm doesn't rely on Arm, they rely on being able to license some of Arm's patents.

This is an extremely common thing in the tech world. All big tech companies have tons of patents that they license out to their competitors.

Arm is in the wrong here. They don't get to tell other companies if and when they are allowed to acquire start-ups. That's a purely monopolistic stance that no doubt would not hold up in court, which may be why they are trying to bully Qualcomm like this, so they have no time to react with a court ruling.
 
Am I understanding this correctly that almost all of Qualcomm's products are totally reliant on having this instruction set license, so that losing it would mean they would no longer be legally allowed to release ARM-based products?
Isn't that an existential near immediate dissolution-tier threat to them if they don't get the license?
 
Conspiracy Theory time: the current ARM CEO (Rene Haas) is a former Nvidia employee, and everyone's favorite Leather jacket man has some leverage over him, and is asking Haas to screw over Qualcomm. Partially as revenge for Qualcomm helping to block Nvidia's attempt at buying ARM, and to also clear out competition for the rumored Mediatek-Nvidia chip collaboration.
 
Hopefully Qualcomm realise that Arm have beyond Strong-Armed (side note, 10 points for the pun there from Qualcomm) them, and have basically stood them up at the cliff edge, ARM absolutely survives losing qualcomm, a bitbof a sting and probably huntingnfor other mobile partners to keep the big royalties rolling in, but ARM has tons cooking with other companies for servers, mobile, embedded, desktop, so this is only one part, whereas Qualcomm would be in big trouble as basically all their key chip designs would not be saleable

Intel strong-arm <
 
I am not a fan of ARM chips, and would never buy a machine with one, Not withstanding, if the report is correct and Qualcomm is in breach of an acquired contract I hope ARM win, they have enough licenced contactors making chip's to their spec it won't cost them much in the long term.

you have a phone dont you?
you have a tablet dont you?
you use a tv dont you?
you have a car with a lcd display dont you?
You have a router dont you?
You have any door cameras?

all powered by arm, and better than any x86 device could be in those spaces.
 
Arm will lose. no more needed to be said. just a pre-trial tactic.

"This is more of the same from ARM – more unfounded threats designed to strongarm a longtime partner, interfere with our performance-leading CPUs, and increase royalty rates regardless of the broad rights under our architecture license," a Qualcomm spokesperson said in an emailed statement.

With a trial fast approaching in December, Arm's desperate ploy appears to be an attempt to disrupt the legal process, and its claim for termination is completely baseless. We are confident that Qualcomm's rights under its agreement with Arm will be affirmed. Arm's anticompetitive conduct will not be tolerated."
 
you have a phone dont you?
you have a tablet dont you?
you use a tv dont you?
you have a car with a lcd display dont you?
You have a router dont you?
You have any door cameras?

all powered by arm, and better than any x86 device could be in those spaces.
Phone - yes, but hate how locked down ARM ecosystem devices tend to be; I would love it if I could get a phone with the same x86 chips going into gaming handhelds, running Windows or SteamOS-like Linux.
Tablet - no, but if I did buy one it would be a Windows ones with Lunar Lake, or one of the more recent AMD chips.
TV - yes, but I have all the "smart" functions disabled, and have it attached to a regular PC (older parts from my gaming machine get cycled into the HTPC). So much nicer to use than SMART TV or Settop box.
Car - I drive an older car without a screen on it. And there is no reason any x86 laptop APU wouldn't work just fine for fancy new cars.
Router - built my own router, using old PC parts. So much nicer than any crappy little ARM box.
Door cameras - no door cameras here.

Edit - just to add, my biggest issue with ARM is not really the ISA itself, but the fact that it is associated with so much locked down, restricted hardware/software that is really hard for the end user to modify. x86 machines just have that history of being more open and easy to modify, that results in far more useful devices for me, the person owning it.
 
Am I understanding this correctly that almost all of Qualcomm's products are totally reliant on having this instruction set license, so that losing it would mean they would no longer be legally allowed to release ARM-based products?
Isn't that an existential near immediate dissolution-tier threat to them if they don't get the license?

Qualcomm is also far and away the industry leader in cellular modems. Their competition is 3-5 years behind.
 
I am not a fan of ARM chips, and would never buy a machine with one, Not withstanding, if the report is correct and Qualcomm is in breach of an acquired contract I hope ARM win, they have enough licenced contactors making chip's to their spec it won't cost them much in the long term.
If you use a phone it's 99% likely to be arm based.
 
Let’s simplify it a little. A has 2 apartments which he rents to Q and N. Q goes and buys the rental contract that A has with N. Is this legal? Yes, it is, if it is not explicitly forbidden in the contract.

Names are not legal entities, they are properties, for the law all entities are of the same quality and indistinguishable from each other. So they can all interact under the same general rules. Contracts specialize those general rules, but they don't have to violate fundamental rights, the constitution, and other specific laws that govern the contracts. One fundamental right, by the way, is free access to information.
 
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