Aliens could be driving themselves to extinction with climate change, study suggests

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Through the looking glass: The fact that we have yet to discover alien life continues to baffle scientists. While there are many possible explanations, a new theory offers a rather grim perspective: perhaps advanced alien civilizations reach a point where their own technological progress led to catastrophic climate change, ultimately causing their downfall.

The research, currently under peer review, simulated the rise and trajectories of hypothetical alien civilizations – and the findings are chilling. Even if these advanced societies relied entirely on renewable energy, their relentless demand for power could still overheat their planet, rendering it uninhabitable in less than a millennium.

The bleak prospect stems from the fundamental laws of physics – specifically, the second law of thermodynamics, which dictates that all energy systems must release some waste heat. Astrophysicist Manasvi Lingam, a co-author of the study, explained the concept with an analogy in an interview with Live Science: A small drip from a partially filled bathtub is manageable, but if you allow the tub to keep filling, you'll soon end up with a flooded house.

On a planetary scale, that "flooded house" analogy equates to an overheated, uninhabitable atmosphere caused by unchecked energy demands and the accumulation of leaked waste heat.

The researchers conclude that at current escalating rates, a technologically advanced civilization could render its planet too hot to support life in under 1,000 years – a cosmic blink of an eye compared to the eons it took for planets like Earth to become life-sustaining.

The study's inspiration partially stems from Earth's own energy trajectory since the 1800s. Human energy consumption reached a staggering 180,000 terawatt hours in 2023 – approximately equal to all the solar energy hitting Earth. According to the study, reigning in energy use through renewable sources and improved efficiency will be crucial for the future.

The researchers propose potential solutions for both alien and human civilizations: halting growth to achieve equilibrium with the planet's capacity, or, perhaps more enticingly, developing technologies to shift energy production off-world. Transitioning to a more sustainable approach, they suggest, could enable civilizations to survive for "up to a billion years."

Though not a primary focus of the study, it also offers an intriguing speculation: perhaps some alien species' escalating energy demands lead to their extinction before they can develop the means to discover or communicate with other intelligent life forms like us.

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Got to love nonsense like this.

Why would we assume that aliens use of energy would be the same as ours? Or that they wouldn’t develop tech that alleviates (or outright eliminates) excess waste/heat from their power usage?

More relevantly- why do we assume that WE won’t develop tech to do exactly that?

Got to love the doom and gloom, but maybe a bit of evidence first?
 
You ever thought that maybe, just maybe, aliens just don't care about us? why would they, were violent af.

if I had the ability to watch a whole planet and study it from afar, I wouldnt contact earthlings at all, we don't get along with ourselves, who knows what kinda nonsense first contact would start.
 
This is just pure nonsense. We will colonize our solar system in 100 years from now, and from there on our civilization will become very much independent of climate changes on our home planet.

 
I've seen this sort of thing come up before in science fiction; one classic example would be the Puppeteers in Larry Niven's Known Space stories, who decided to move their home planet away from its star so that they could continue to expand their homeworld's population & industrial activities without having to worry about the waste heat.

I think something like that would hold true in the real world for any society capable of producing so much energy that the waste heat starts being an issue - setting up large mirrors in space to reflect away sunlight, moving industry off planet, moving the planet itself away from its star, and so on are all viable to a species that can harness that much power.
 
I wonder about those who called this 'stupid' and said, "if you call this science, you know nothing about science'. Did any of them read the paper? Do any of them even know what the 2nd law of thermodynamics states? No. And No. Here's the link to the paper (it's a PDF), right out where everyone can see it: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2409.06737 and here's one formulation of the 2nd law: "Heat always flows spontaneously from hotter to colder regions of matter." I'll agree with any who may say that Techspot kinda hid the link in the word 'simulated' above. Not a good choice. The item should have also named at least the project leader and the institution and linked through those items. (FWIW, Wikipedia has a decent discussion of the 2nd law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics )
 
I wonder about those who called this 'stupid' and said, "if you call this science, you know nothing about science'. Did any of them read the paper? Do any of them even know what the 2nd law of thermodynamics states? No. And No. Here's the link to the paper (it's a PDF), right out where everyone can see it: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2409.06737 and here's one formulation of the 2nd law: "Heat always flows spontaneously from hotter to colder regions of matter." I'll agree with any who may say that Techspot kinda hid the link in the word 'simulated' above. Not a good choice. The item should have also named at least the project leader and the institution and linked through those items. (FWIW, Wikipedia has a decent discussion of the 2nd law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics )
So, after reading the abstract, I transfer my “nonsense” from the paper to Techspot’s article… the paper does NOT say that aliens could be driving themselves to extinction - only that all energy use depletes various resources (like liquid water) from a planet.

The paper, however, is still useless as we lack any understanding of any alien civilizations that may or may not exist and their existing or non-existing technology.

For all we know, aliens have found a way to replenish the resources lost from energy expenditures in some way - WE may find out how to do this in the future as well!

To conjecture that civilizations might be going extinct is simply a wild guess based on nothing concrete.
 
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I wonder about those who called this 'stupid' and said, "if you call this science, you know nothing about science'. Did any of them read the paper? Do any of them even know what the 2nd law of thermodynamics states? No. And No. Here's the link to the paper (it's a PDF), right out where everyone can see it: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2409.06737 and here's one formulation of the 2nd law: "Heat always flows spontaneously from hotter to colder regions of matter." I'll agree with any who may say that Techspot kinda hid the link in the word 'simulated' above. Not a good choice. The item should have also named at least the project leader and the institution and linked through those items. (FWIW, Wikipedia has a decent discussion of the 2nd law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics )
I always thought that the 2nd law of thermodynamics was that you don't talk about thermodynamics ;-)
 
Or maybe they bought into a Climate Crisis Hoax and sequestered so much of their CO2 that all the plants died and with that, they all died.
 
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